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Benefits of Using Refurbished Electrical Components in Manufacturing

When it comes to selecting industrial surplus electrical components, the OEM component is not always better. Refurbished electrical components are often fully functional and offer a variety of benefits to your business, such as: reduced costs, improved inspections, improved aging components, and sustainability.

Reduces costs

The immediate benefits of refurbished electrical components in manufacturing are that it is significantly cheaper than new but identical ones. By the simple act of refurbishing a component automatically reduces its selling price; regardless of the reason the manufacturer renewed it. You are likely to save at least 10 percent and possibly up to 50 percent on your component purchases.

Improved inspections

A lower price, of course, does not necessarily mean that the refurbished electrical components are worth buying. Refurbished electrical components that were not properly inspected may contain defects, causing production problems that cost far more money than your savings compared to the purchase.

Refurbished electrical components, however, receive more rigorous testing than new components. Regardless of what is wrong with the product, manufacturers often carefully consider it before they are put on the market, and it means they are more likely to identify and eliminate problems than the new components. In a nut shell, if you get refurbished electrical components, you are likely to end up getting superior components at a lower price.

Improved aging components

The industry is rapidly changing, and aged industrial surplus electrical components that were common are fast evolving by way of refurbishment. So if you still consider buying the new components for manufacturing purpose, you may be losing out of reflected updates that are available on the refurbished equipment.

For example, If your company uses dated components that you still find viable for manufacturing purpose, it can be difficult to find the components needed to repair and maintain the equipment. The restored products tend to be older, allowing you to find what you need for the old computer running at full capacity.

Savvy Sustainability

One more reason to use Refurbished electrical components in manufacturing is that you do not want to wait for your production process to be halted before buying a new component entirely. Also, you do not want to cross the budget line for your manufacturing company by going with completely new components. This is not to say that you cannot make use of your enterprise money to get better components. However this means that your business becomes more sustainable when there is no halt in the production process hence more buyers and patronage. Additionally, another way to see this can be related a concept in production management, which prioritizes routine maintenance to periodic maintenance.

Learn more about J & P Electrical Company and their vast line of new, surplus, and refurbished industrial electrical components including: circuit breakers, bus ducts, bus plugs, disconnects, fuses, panel switches, tap boxes, and transformers at  To contact one of our product reconditioning specialists call 877.844.5514 today.



Our asset recovery division specializes in complete electrical tear down and plant clean outs, working with companies like Adamo, Bierlein, and Brandenburg. We uphold the highest safety standards and our teams are well trained. We are fully insured, experienced, and professional. This is one of the reasons we can give such great pricing here at J&P. It comes straight from the source to us, cutting out the middle man. Please call us first for a bid on complete electrical asset recovery and we’ll get the job done right!

We also have buying power here at J&P. So do you need to get rid of some electrical equipment? Are you swimming in a particular item and need more space? Sell it to us! We buy a wide range of electrical equipment and will pay competitive prices.

So fax your list of goods for sale to (734)449-8335 or email it to You can also call us at 877-844-5514 and ask for Jim.


  • Transformers
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  • Panel switches
  • Disconnects
  • Fuses
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Smart Circuit Breakers: The Next Frontier of the Grid Edge?

Go down to the basement of your office building or apartment complex, or the garage of your home, and you’ll find a ubiquitous piece of electrical equipment that could be the next frontier for smart, connected energy management — the circuit breaker.

Circuit breakers are a multibillion-dollar market. Projections show a global market of between $13 billion and $19 billion by decade’s end, dominated by giants such as Siemens, ABB, Schneider Electric, Eaton, Toshiba, Mitsubishi, and GE’s Alstom.

Most of the circuit breakers out there are fairly simple, electromechanical devices that sit idle the vast majority of the time. But the latest versions are coming with features like wireless connectivity and computing power that are meant to turn them into something more like a smart meter or a smartphone.

That, in turn, could allow utilities and building owners to start tracking the interplay of grid-supplied power and on-site distributed energy resources (DERs) like solar, batteries and plug-in electric vehicles, or demand response. As more and more buildings start to get these smart, networked circuit breakers, they could augment — or even replace — a lot of other equipment used for this purpose today.

Eaton and EPRI test smart circuit breakers as virtual meters, load controllers

That’s the idea behind the field trial of Eaton’s energy management circuit breaker (EMCB). Last year, the electrical equipment giant started deploying its smart circuit breakers at about 500 homes with 12 U.S. utilities, including Duke Energy, Southern Company, CenterPoint, ComEd and Pepco. Over the next year, it will be working with the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI) to see if they’re capable of collecting and sharing data accurately, receiving and sending controls to other smart equipment like thermostats or water heaters, and even shifting homes on and off of grid power during emergencies.

“We’re trying to understand the functionality and potential value propositions for each device, working on utility-owned use cases,” Tom Reddoch, the EPRI senior technical executive in charge of the project, said in a recent interview. “This is a powerful device to control solar; it’s powerful to control storage; it’s powerful as a [measurement and verification] device.” They’re also particularly useful for electric vehicle applications, because they’re able to serve all the requirements of 240-volt EV charging equipment. “The charging infrastructure is being integrated into the breakers,” Reddoch said.

Eaton and EPRI will have devices in the field through 2017, and by next year, they “should have sufficient field data to answer questions about the functional features,” he added. That will also provide feedback about potential modifications that Eaton may want to include in each device, he said.

That’s valuable insight for Eaton, which is looking at ways to embed the technology across its product lines. “We’ve been in the circuit protection device business for years; it’s in a nice place in the distribution ecosystem,” Ron Thompson, Eaton’s director of business development for emerging markets and new technologies, said in a recent interview.

Each year, Eaton manufactures about 50 million poles — individual 1-inch breakers — for the circuit breakers it embeds in power distribution equipment like switchboards and panel boards, and “a percentage of those could eventually become smart breakers. Any time a building is built or retrofitted, that becomes part of the real estate of our products — and if the breakers are intelligent, I don’t have to put a meter in or a relay for the circuit — I don’t have to do a lot of things.”

As EMCBs become standard equipment, they could start to serve as energy billing settlement and load control devices, similar to how smart meters function today, but down to individual circuits in homes and buildings, Thompson said. “The breaker has Wi-Fi communication built in, to connect to the Wi-Fi in the home,” he said. “In real time, if a utility is experiencing an under-voltage or under-frequency condition, we can measure it and respond,” he said.

Solid state technology — the next step in smart circuit breakers? 

There are challenges in bringing new technologies to such an entrenched market, however. “The circuit breaker world has been one of the trickiest in terms of customer acceptance,” said John DeBoer, new product introduction manager for Siemens, in an interview last month. “It’s a classic industry that’s been really grounded in safety and reliable distribution of power. Their job is to sit there for a long time, and wait for that one moment when something unsafe happens in the electrical system. They’re trying to protect that wire.”

Even so, Siemens is looking far ahead for the next generation of smart circuit breakers, including the latest in solid-state power electronics. In February, the German industrial giant invested in Charlotte, N.C.-based startup Atom Power, which has designed a solid-state circuit breaker that replaces the electromechanical features of a traditional device with digital power control.

Solid-state circuit breakers have actually been around since the 1970s. “But the technology wasn’t ready, and the customers definitely weren’t going to pay for them,” DeBoer said.

But advances in solid-state power electronics have increased the capability and lowered the price of devices like these, he said. In terms of design, “the biggest thing that Atom Power has done well is they’ve gotten the solid-state device fully in series. It is sitting entirely within the conduction path,” he said.

That makes Atom Power’s devices faster, and thus safer, than classic electromechanical systems, which take a few milliseconds to move, he said. “A solid-state device can move at the speed of a computer,” improving the device’s kilo-amperes interrupting capacity, or KAIC, a key measure of a circuit breaker’s ability to perform its core function of keeping electrical equipment safe from surges, arcs and other hazards.

Beyond that, Atom Power’s integrated switches and panels can serve all the smart functions of an inverter or smart meter, he said. “The market for the metering of energy is absolutely exploding right now — and it’s metering at all levels. I would say it has more than doubled in the past year or year and a half. The big trend is metering in buildings for multiple purposes at the same time. With the complexity of energy these days, and the growth in smart meters, it’s made energy more complicated and more confusing.”

The drawback is that solid-state power electronics are still expensive. “These things are still five to 10 times more expensive than a traditional circuit breaker,” DeBoer said. “The incremental value, though, is that we’re seeing healthy year-over-year cost reductions, like you’re seeing in the semiconductor world.”

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Original Author: Jeff St. John

Original Date: April 19 2017

Tips & Tricks in Electrical Component Refurbishment

There can be a lot of money stored up in old equipment or machinery which is why many businesses are now partnering up with waste management companies to help them retain as much of their investment as possible.  Old buildings or buildings destroyed by natural disasters can still contain valuable materials which can be recovered and sold to either offset some of the cost of demolition or go towards the cost of refurbishment.

There are heaps of hidden electrical and industrial resources in every building to be reused or sold.  It’s important to take inventory and catalog all salvageable equipment and materials from a demolition or refurbishment project. For instance, lighting fixtures can be reused, and wiring and electrical switches can be sold.

An industrial electric recovery process should consist of three main stages. The first phase involves identifying all usable or saleable assets. The second involves identifying those materials which will be reused for other projects, and the final step is to sell the materials for which your business has no further use.

Buildings that went up a few decades ago had to comply with safety standards that were a lot less stringent than the ones in place today. Experts in electrical surplus recovery will ensure that everything that is salvageable is recovered in the safest manner possible, and make sure it is disposed of according to state regulations.

Electric surplus recovery may involve some destruction, but it also means you will recover some assets, be able to recycle valuable components and sell everything you can no longer use.  It’s important to use the best contractors you can find for the job as they will pay for themselves many times over by discovering everything that is recoverable, complete the job safely, and get you the best returns.

Learn more about J & P Electrical Company and their vast line of new, surplus, and refurbished industrial electrical components including: circuit breakers, bus ducts, bus plugs, disconnects, fuses, panel switches, tap boxes, and transformers at  To contact one of our product reconditioning specialists call 877.844.5514 today.



Make sure your enclosures are summer ready

High temperatures are the most common cause of sensitive electrical and electronic components tripping or even failing, so users of manufacturing automation systems need to ensure that they are prepared for the summer heat and, if necessary, should arrange for an inspection of their equipment to check the level of risk, according to Jason Swann.

Electrical equipment generates lots of heat.  Add to this the ambient heat from the rising summer temperatures and your enclosure will start to reach a critical point of overheating without sufficiecnt cooling. What would you do if the equipment that manages your production line – your PLCs, drives and controls – failed due to inadequate or inappropriate cooling?  Can you afford to take the risk.”

Inverter drives are used within electrical equipment because they are effective at reducing the amount of energy used – which means lower production costs. Assuming an efficiency of 97%, a 250kW drive can produce up to 7.5kW of heat, much of which is retained inside the enclosure. Therefore without adequate cooling heat will rise.

The life expectancy of components is hugely affected by excess heat.  An electrical component’s life expectancy can be reduced by 50% for every 10°C increase in the ambient temperature. So keeping an Inverter drive cool will prolong its life, reduce the risk of failure and save money.

Rittal offers the following list of questions to check if there may be a problem brewing:

• Is your equipment tripping or failing due to high temperatures?
• Is this having an impact on production, in that it’s either slowing or stopping completely?
• When you walk around your shop floor, do your enclosures feel hot to the touch?
• At the height of summer, are your enclosure doors regularly left open and do you need large fans blowing into your panels to cool the devices inside them? This also presents a health and safety risk!
• Does inadequate chilling of process fluids result in production down-time?
• Would your existing cooling solution benefit from a health check?

Any ‘yes’ responses suggests a thermal survey could be a sensible next step.  Rittal’s expert team can provide a RiAssure3 survey and if necessary advise on the best solution.

A RiAssure3 survey will identify the likely risk of a system overheating. It will review any existing cooling solution and determine how suited it is to that particular working environment. If necessary, it will then provide recommendations around remedial action – for example, changes to the system’s service and maintenance regime to help improve its efficiency or the recommendation to invest in different climate control technology.

Protecting equipment
Which cooling solution is installed will ultimately depend on the amount of heat produced inside the panel and the environment in which it is installed.  It must be specific to a particular application.

The main considerations centre around whether the enclosure is located in a cold or hot environment, if that environment is clean or dirty, and to what degree. Conditions may also change over the course of the working day, week, month or year, so the final selection of an appropriate cooling solution may not be entirely straightforward.

Enclosures that are placed in a cool and clean environment may find fan-and-filter units are more than adequate, given a single device provides more than 4 kW of cooling in ideal conditions.  However If the air is dirty, it is still possible to take full advantage of low ambient temperatures by using energy efficient air-to-air heat exchangers to provide any necessary cooling. For applications that require the temperature inside the enclosure to be lower than that outside it, a refrigerant based solution may be the best option.

The Blue e+ cooling unit range from Rittal, with capacities up to 6kW, can operate in ambient temperatures up to 60°C yet also provide free cooling when the external air is cooler due to its innovative use of hybrid technology. Air-to-water heat exchangers can be used in even hotter conditions and the water delivered to a remote location in which the heat, up to 10kW from one unit, may be dissipated more effectively and with less effect on the temperature of the surroundings.
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Original Date: 10 July 2017

The Benefits of Buying Refurbished Industrial Electrical Components

There are many types of refurbished industrial electrical components which include breaker panels, line switches, bus ducts, bus plugs, fuses, transformers, circuit boards, etc. and they are all durable, affordable and readily available for purchase.

It will amaze you to know that many individuals and businesses can benefit from buying refurbished industrial electrical components instead of purchasing new components or replacing equipment. The term “refurbished” is just used to explain that the equipment has been used and completely redone back to new again. A great deal of satisfaction has been seen by the users of refurbished electrical products because it helps them save up considerable amount of money.

Possibly the biggest benefits of buying refurbished industrial electrical equipments could be seen from the affordability to business owners and individuals equally. Regardless of the task, whether a home appliance repair or industrial-grade breakdown, it is advisable to seek quality refurbished electrical components at affordable prices. Regardless of the electrical problem you are facing the same rules are applicable; seek quality components and equipment at affordable rates.

Suppliers of industrial refurbished components are a common and reliable source of replacement components for manufacturing equipment for many years now. Many buyers choose to buy these types of products from them because they know that they are high quality, affordability and availability of alternatives.

High Quality: Perhaps a part might look new but that doesn’t guarantee that you will get a high quality component. Refurbished components undergo several rigorous overhauling processes and they are always tested to reach and sometimes surpass companies UL certification.

Affordability: Most people are searching for inexpensive electrical components to buy that will serve the purpose and not put a hole in their pocket. Brand new products may perhaps seem perfect but considering the cost and lifespan many buyers will choose to go for refurbished components.

Availability:  This is among the reasons why the sale of refurbished electrical components increased greatly in the past few years. Industrial products are always manufactured to serve longer purpose. Sometimes it is hard to see suppliers who have new components in stock for older products. It is very expensive if you choose to always upgrade a large equipment and sometimes needless as the lifespan of the equipment is far from getting to its peak. Refurbished electrical components are available in clutch as soon as you notice that new parts are out of date.

Alternatives: Whenever any equipment becomes faulty the company loses money. Nobody wants to be in the process of production and unable to repair faulty electrical equipments. Using refurbished components creates variety of alternatives for you at anytime within the refurbished electrical component company. Several refurbished components dealer will have them available or help you in finding the component you really want at an affordable cost with instant availability.

Both companies and individual save money and time when they buy quality refurbished industrial electrical components.

Learn more about J & P Electrical Company and their vast line of new, surplus, and refurbished industrial electrical components including: circuit breakers, bus ducts, bus plugs, disconnects, fuses, panel switches, tap boxes, and transformers at  To contact one of our product reconditioning specialists call 877.844.5514 today.




Using Bus Ducts and Bus Plugs in Manufacturing

When it comes to the electrical power distribution, a bus duct usually behaves inside a switchboard, dissemination board, and substation. These are normally utilized as a part of the business and industrial setting for inside and outside the establishment. The installation of bus plugs and bus ducts needs to be handled by experts to ensure that the high voltage manufacturing equipment runs on can be handled. A little numbness or wrong installation may bring about instant demise to the safety of the workers running the machinery. Below you will find some basic tips which can truly help guide you through the process of having bus ducts installed within your work environment.

In numerous industries and business offices, bus ducts are introduced in the downstream of the transformer which safeguards them from fault. It is important to remember that where you put the bus plugs and bus ducts must be completely sheltered and secure. You have to protect the equipment from rust and some other unsafe substance.

Bus plugs are basically an electrical attachment similar to an electrical outlet that you would see around your home.  The difference is that in manufacturing these systems need to move about to provide electricity to equipment in different areas of the building at different times.  Each bus plug will be associated with a specific area of bus ducts.  This bolsters power down to whatever it is beneath that should be powered, from lighting frameworks to hardware, whatever the case might be. The colossal advantage of the bus plugs are their ease of adaptability. Since there is no corporal hard cabling to the building, the whole framework can be detached and adjusted to accommodate the arrangement of floor. As new gear comes on the web or plant layouts moved, there’s no doubt about how precisely power will be hurry to the new area.

Utilize stainless steel bus ducts and rust proof equipment to increase the safety of bus ducts installed within the establishment.  Utilizing stainless bus duct and rust proof equipment helps to guarantee safety to the workers, the equipment, and the facility on a whole.

Bus ducts should never be settled permanently on the wall.  Bus ducts require attention to this matter.  If left to settle on a wall or floor the apparatus may not function as it should causing inconveniences to the work environment.  It is important that the quality of the products you use to power your machinery matches the quality of the equipment.  Never compromise on quality materials when installing bus ducts and bus plugs.  It is a huge mistake that often occurs in manufacturing facilities; keep this in mind when choosing what to install and what equipment to use within your facility.

At all times professional assistance should be given to the installation and usage of these systems. The fittings are not as stress-free as you may think; nothing is superior to professional help that is highly knowledgeable in this particular field and guarantee the security of work environment.

Learn more about J & P Electrical Company and their vast line of new, surplus, and refurbished industrial electrical components including: circuit breakers, bus ducts, bus plugs, disconnects, fuses, panel switches, tap boxes, and transformers at  To contact one of our product reconditioning specialists call 877.844.5514 today.

GST may push up electrical goods’ prices by 10% to 15%

Traders bodies say 28% rate on such items will hit business

The selling prices of electrical goods may increase by 10-15% after the implementation of Goods and Services Tax (GST) affecting traders and customers, according to traders. Under the GST, electrical goods will be taxed at 28% as it has been classified as a luxury item.

“Electrical goods is not a luxury item, but an essential one,” said Hukmichand Shah, the president of 75-year-old Madras Electric Trades Association (META). “Taxing it at 28% will make it difficult for traders to survive and sustain. While the electrical raw materials are taxed at 18%, the finished goods is placed in the highest tax bracket of 28%.”

“The increase in operating cost and selling price is likely to have a cascading effect affecting both the small and medium traders and customers.

The Centre should consider the tax implication it might have on the end customers,” said Mr.Shah, who also heads the Federation of Electrical, Electronics and Engineering Trade Association of Tamil Nadu.

META has about 1,800 members in Tamil Nadu alone accounting for a consolidated turnover of ₹2,000 crore. Surendra Vyas, general secretary, META said they were not opposed to the implementation of GST but the manner in which it was imposed.

“There are several anomalies in the GST as far as electrical goods industry is concerned that has to be addressed on priority basis,” he said.

“This is not a peculiar problem for those in Tamil Nadu alone. My counterparts in New Delhi, Mumbai and Kolkata have already sounded the Centre about the anomalies in the rate. Memoranda have been sent to the Union Finance Minister, Finance Secretary and State Finance Minister,” Mr. Shah said.

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Original Author: Special Correspondent

Original Date: June 13, 2017

Why Buying Refurbished Electrical Equipment Is a Plus

A number of different types of refurbished electrical equipment are available to our consumers.  Breakers, fuses, panel switches, transformers, and so much more are stored in one of our two warehouses awaiting for purchase.  Our website can be accessed anytime to view a variety of other product categories and more specific products and prices available to best meet your project needs and budget.

The fact of the matter is that many people can benefit from purchasing refurbished electrical equipment rather than buying a brand new product.  “Refurbished” is just a term used to describe a product that has been previously sold and returned by the consumer for resale.  There has been great satisfaction in those who purchase refurbished electrical equipment because it saves the consumer a great deal of money.  By choosing a refurbished product, the consumer gets the best for a fraction of the cost of what they would have paid had they purchased the item brand new.

It is also important for consumers to understand that buying a refurbished product does not mean that they are buying a cheaply made item.  Refurbished electrical equipment is carefully inspected to ensure that the product is working properly in order to meet the consumers needs.  The individuals who refurbish these products are highly trained individuals who have a high standard of work procedures and protocols in the process of refurbishing items.  Strict quality guidelines are followed to deliver these top-notch refurbished electrical equipment.

Our company’s products are carefully examined.  A typical electrical product has a certain process that it has to go through to ensure quality.  The parts and stripped down and every aspect of the part is checked over.  Any malfunctioning parts within the product are replaced with new parts.  Our experts go through every piece on each product to correct any imperfections and make the product a quality piece that can be sold to consumers.  When each product is corrected and reassembled, the product undergoes specific diagnostic testing to ensure that the product is working properly and meets the adequate standards.

Just because we supply refurbished products does not mean that we have purchased and refurbished cheaply made products to begin with.  Our company wants to be sure that you get the best, which is why we purchase high end brand products and efficient models to refurbish and resell.  If our company doesn’t like cheaply made products, then why would we sell cheaply made products to our consumers?  We work effectively to ensure that our products are refurbished to meet the consumers product needs and their budget.

In addition, when purchasing a refurbished product many consumers find it beneficial to have a product backed by a warranty.  Our company offers a one year warranty on all of our products, so if you run into any unforeseen complications, we will have you covered.  There is nothing more frustrating that purchases a refurbished product that isn’t under warranty and then you end up dishing out more money; with our company we can ensure quality products backed by a warranty.

Learn more about J & P Electrical Company and their vast line of new, surplus, and refurbished industrial electrical components including: circuit breakers, bus ducts, bus plugs, disconnects, fuses, panel switches, tap boxes, and transformers at  To contact one of our product reconditioning specialists call 877.844.5514 today.




All About Circuit Breakers

How does a circuit breaker work?  What exactly shuts the breaker off to prevent the electrical flow from overheating?  Overheating is known as tripping the circuit.  It is crucial that in residential or industrial settings that the connection is tripped.  A circuit breaker does just that.  It shuts off the flow of electricity to the circuit’s thus causing break in the current of electricity.  Instead of ignoring the issue by flipping the switch and resetting the breaker it is crucial that you find the reason the circuit keeps tripping in the first place.

There are three main reasons that a circuit is tripped:

  • An overload on the circuit
  • A short within the circuit
  • A ground fault

No matter if you are a commercial or industrial user it is important to learn what causes a circuit to trip and how to repair it.  This will allow you to save time and money in the long run.

A circuit that is overloaded remains the most common issue of a tripped breaker.  It is pretty simple actually; an overloaded circuit happens when too many things are plugged in at one time.  Even if it is many different outlets, if they are all on the same circuit it will trip.  Consider this, if a circuit has 15 amps but 20 amps of electricity are all plugged in to the same circuit then it will shut off. This helps to prevent overheating. The more current that flows through the circuit over what it is made to carry will prevent the circuit from overheating and will instead trip the breaker.

In order to prevent this it is crucial that the power is redistributed.  Items that require a lot of power should not all be plugged in on one circuit.  Heaters, irons, hair dryers, and more should not be all on one circuit. If all of these appliances must be used on one circuit then it is important to hire a professional to run a new circuit.

Another reason for an overheated circuit can be an overheating appliance. In the summer, overheating central air conditioners are notorious for this – when overheated, they pull in more amps than normal, causing the entire circuit to overload.

A short circuit offers a bit more to be concerned about. A short means that a hot wire is touching another hot wire or neutral wire.  When this occurs an abundance of current is allowed to flow through and creates more heat than the circuit was cut out for.  This allows it to shut off.  The smell of burning or discoloration at the outlet means that you have a short circuit.  Immediately turn off the power at the outlet and have a professional electrician out to replace it.

A ground fault is even more serious than an overloaded circuit as it is a short circuit where a hot wire touches a ground wire or the wall of a metal outlet box.  The identifiers are the same as a short circuit, the smell and the discoloration.  Don’t attempt to fix this yourself.  Circuit breakers are important as they are a safety device that allows a circuit to be broken before a problem occurs.

Learn more about J & P Electrical Company and their vast line of new, surplus, and refurbished industrial electrical components including: circuit breakers, bus ducts, bus plugs, disconnects, fuses, panel switches, tap boxes, and transformers at  To contact one of our product reconditioning specialists call 877.844.5514 today.